Showing posts with label debate. Show all posts
Showing posts with label debate. Show all posts

Tuesday, June 9, 2009

How do we know? 4 – Appearances and Transformations

Ok, we’ve finally arrived at what will likely be the most contentious issue (outside of the explanation) – the post-mortem appearances of Jesus after He was crucified. We will also examine the radical transformation in the lives of the disciples and others because that lends support to the resurrection hypothesis.

Let’s begin with the creed in 1 Corinthians 15: 3-8:
"For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Peter, and then to the Twelve. After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born."

This creed is important because not just of its content, but its age. Habermas, in Strobel, claims that a case can be made for dating this creed to within two to eight years of the events themselves. Craig says five years. Note: this isn’t the book of Corinthians, but the creed itself. What’s significant about this creed is the falsifiability of its claims. Here we have Paul listing all the people who witnessed the resurrected Jesus included “five hundred of the brothers”, most of whom were still alive at the writing of the letter to the Corinthians. It seems like he is inviting the reader to check things out for themselves, and that’s not what someone who was propagating a lie would do. For example, Joseph Smith’s Twelve Golden Plates were seen only by members of his family and then taken back to heaven, so no one could verify what he claimed.

It also important that he lists James as a witness, because we know from the Gospels that Jesus’ family did not believe in Him during His life (Mark 3:21, 31-35; John 7:1-10), yet after the resurrection James shows up and becomes numbered among the Apostles, both the church historian, Eusebius and Jewish historian, Josephus, in his Antiquities records his death in the very temple - being thrown from the pinnacle and being stoned and clubbed to death under the three month “reign” of Ananus in 62AD for refusing to recant his faith in Christ. The charge is blaspheming the Law. What best explains his radical conversion? I think it best explained by his encountering the risen Lord. Think of it this way (to borrow an analogy from Craig) what would it take to convince you that your brother was the Messiah? Jesus’ death would have just confirmed in James’ mind that He was crazy, and wasn’t the Christ at all. For him to exhibit such a radical about-face and then die for his belief in his brother seems to me best explained by him meeting Jesus face-to-face after He rose.

Finally, Paul includes himself in this list of witnesses. He also goes on to remind us that when he encountered Christ he was incredibly hostile to the church, persecuting it (1 Cor 15:9), by, as Luke records, “breathing out murderous threats against the Lord’s disciples” (Acts 9:1). Now he’s one of Jesus’ most ardent supporters, spending time in and out of prison, being threatened and beaten, and ultimately killed for his belief. Only coming upon a resurrected (and hence justified by God) Jesus could bring about such a change in his life.

It is also important to note that the appearances of Jesus are recorded by multiple people. For instance, the appearance to Peter is reported by both Luke and Paul, John joins those two in recording the appearance to the eleven remaining disciples, and the appearance to the women disciples is reported by Matthew and John, which is an account that enjoys the criterion of embarrassment, lending it some credibility – since women could not even give evidence in court, why would the disciples use them as a source of evidence unless they were reporting what actually happened? These provide multiple, independent attestations of what happened. They may all be in one book we call the Bible, but remember - that book didn’t exist until the fourth century!

And what of the original disciples? The gospels record them demoralised after the crucifixion, Peter even denying ever knowing Him. We see them downtrodden and dismayed on the road to Emmaus, we see Thomas refusing to believe unless he can touch the body, despite what his fellows told him they witnessed. We see them having given up their hope in Jesus and returned to their previous occupations. Then we see simple fishermen (for the most part) transformed into men of wisdom and influence, spreading the Good News across many lands and cultures, ultimately taking their belief in the risen Jesus with them to their deaths. You don’t die for something unless you believe it to be true!

I think this brings us to try and explain these claims. Let’s have a look at two possibilities – legendary development and hallucination.

Some have claimed that the appearances are merely a legend that grew up over time. The problem is, there just wasn’t enough time. Even if we accept a date for the gospels that is in the late first century, that is too soon for legend to creep in. We’d still have people alive who were with those who witnessed the events who could accurately report what was said, for example we have a disciple of John, Polycarp, who didn’t die until the mid 100s. Also, the narratives lack signs of legendary embellishment - they present plain facts with little in the way of exaggeration. Exaggeration and legend tend to spring up three to five generations later, when all of the original witnesses are dead - two to three, at earliest - but this still would require a form of “proto-Christianity” (i.e., a form that is “in the making” so to speak, while people still are forming ideas and solidifying legends.) And though we have several different ideas and theologies about Christianity, and even some embellishments, these all come from either spurious sources that even Jerome threw out or much later documents, a hundred or more years after the death of the disciples. As it is, there is no form of “proto-Christianity” that can be verifiable. It seems to start from a solid and undeniable belief that Jesus of Nazareth was the incarnate God and had risen from the dead. There was simply no time for legend to start (by comparison, all accounts of miracles attributed to Muhammad come almost 500 years after the prophet died. None are contemporary with him). Finally, even if they were legendary, that doesn’t account for how the legend started. As Habermas says, the legend can’t tell you how the story started, just how it got bigger. And since the Jews had no concept of a bodily resurrection before the judgment of the whole world at the end of time, there seems no real place for such a story to have grown from. As Wright says, “there is no evidence for a form of early Christianity in which the resurrection is not a central belief.” Again – why would the disciples go to their deaths for something they invented?

The other main alternative offered is that of hallucination. Since it seems clear that they were sincere in their belief of a resurrected Jesus, perhaps they hallucinated Him? Psychologist Gary Collins has this to say:
"Hallucinations are individual occurrences. By their very nature only one person can see a given hallucination at a time. They certainly aren’t something which can be seen by a group of people [like the 500]. Neither is it possible that one person could somehow induce an hallucination in somebody else. Since an hallucination exists only in the subjective, personal sense, it is obvious that others cannot witness it."

Yet we have multiple people claiming to have seen that same thing at different times, and with different company. And let’s not forget Paul and James – hostile witnesses to the resurrection. We might claim that His disciples wanted to believe in Him so much that they caused themselves to hallucinate, but what would cause James and Paul to do the same? They had no such desire. Finally, how many of you can say that you know someone who has had an hallucination that was not brought on by either some form of substance or drug or some type of mental illness? Are we to believe that all of these witnesses were using hallucinogenic drugs, or were all mentally deranged? I think that stretches the explanatory power of this hypothesis too far.

I think that, given the alternatives, the hypothesis that Jesus really was raised from the dead, that He really appeared to those who claim to have seen Him is the explanation that best fits. It explains more of the facts in question than any rival hypothesis, and that is why I believe it to be the most reasonable explanation.

Sunday, April 13, 2008

The Great Debate?

A terribly volatile subject:
It is most embarrassing, though probably shouldn't be, to Christians when a politician professes a profound "faith in God" and then proceeds pandering to the opposite, blatantly immoral side, exploiting both to win votes.

I say its embarrassing because to those voters (or mere onlookers) lost in the limbo of not knowing what to believe, it appears as though Christians, all of us, are hypocrites - or at least instead of standing for an ideal, we play hopscotch around it. Also, more so in the US than in other countries, "faith in God" to many means "faith in Jesus Christ." Not necessarily so.

I also add that we shouldn't be so embarrassed because what are we to expect? Honestly, we all do it on some level, why not particularly so when the stakes are so high? The more (potential) power you have, the higher the (potential) temptation. How much more power can you get in this world at this time than being President of the USA. Aside from that, just because one says they are faithful doesn't really prove anything. Lets see some of it in action, buddy. "So also, Faith without works is dead." (Jas 2:17)

The recent forum in Pennsylvania, a faith forum at that, offered Clinton and Obama both the opportunity to profess said "faith in God" and then answer questions offered up by leaders from several different faiths.
Go ahead and give that a read then pop back on over here and finish reading this.
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So? What do you think? If you are shocked, I will say you are naive. But what grabs my attention is that, even in the news was it seen as a blatant and shameless bid for votes. I would say that Clinton sounds like the tongue of Satan himself, except that the devil isn't usually so transparent or dumb. Potential for life? Obama had the stuffings to say that he didn't know. Maybe he doesn't, but it still sounds like a cop-out to me.

Lets get on the same page here. Are we all speaking American English or what? What do they mean by life? Potential for life? That egg cell is alive and that sperm certainly is as well. Those are alive. Ah, do you mean, is it capable of sustaining life on its own without help from another? No. But lets not be coy, neither are you.

Do they mean life in the sense of a soul "being made?" Is there a soul there? Ah, there is the big debate.

Remember these guys are saying they have "faith in God." If we say that a soul comes into being with the first breath of life, well, as plausible in some circles as that may be, we know it isn't true Biblically. King David says so humbly in Psalm 51:5 that he was a sinner from the moment his mother conceived him.
So we must insist that the soul is poured into our being at the onset, given by God at the melding of the love between our parents, or even, in the basest of circumstances, the rape of our mother. Well, should we then fall into the Catholic boat of all intercourse being sacred and no contraceptives allowed?

Who is to say it isn't? Of course it is! Everything we have should be taken as sacred! Eating, drinking, playing. Talking to your neighbor. God pronounced all of His creation, "good." As my favorite writer (whom I imagine you all know) once said, 'Next to the Blessed Sacrament itself, your neighbor is the holiest thing presented to your senses.' Since we take all these too lightly, what is stopping us from taking this great moment 'as two become one' so? Was the Lord not angry when Onan spilled himself on the ground because he knew that any offspring born of his brother's widow would not carry his name? Read Gen. 38:9. Apparently the Lord finds it sacred.*

The act may be (thank you, good and wise Lord) pleasurable, but it's God who gives life, so even when done for "enjoyment," if He so deems to give life, then it is His deeming. When it is done with blatant disregard to the fruits that said action may bring, you are not only being flippant with life itself but disrespectful of God. Whether someone was raped or whether it was planned out to the last detail, who are we to take any life so capriciously? If I'm not mistaken, I think we have invaded countries because people have been capricious with life.

I won't be a hypocrite. I am guilty of this - terribly so. More so than even I, myself, am capable of knowing or understanding. I am a proud and foolishly thoughtless man guilty of every sin. Since then, if I trust my life to Christ, then it is His light that must shine, not mine, nor anyone else's.
On the other hand, I'm not running for office, and those who do so I hope will follow out their thoughts to the end of the line. For certain not all the voters will do so, but many will. Christians and non-Christians alike. So, come on folks, lets be clear where we stand, for one thing or another. Pandering to every whim only makes for blathering fools. You cannot serve two masters, and Christians should know that.

*I like Shane Claiborne's footnote to this issue of abortion from "The Irresistible Revolution": "...if I'm going to discourage abortion, I had better be ready to adopt some babies and care for some mothers." There is a lot to that, but not everything is contained within it. There are orphanages and care centers - most run by Christians. That doesn't mean that only the people who work there have a right to speak out on the subject, but it might be said we listened to them a bit more than to those of us who don't.

Sunday, January 27, 2008

Quoting Scripture.

At any rate, we also seemed to get off subject a bit. This was never meant to be a debate against brothers, but a study in how to actually use the Bible when defending it.
How does one use the Bible to defend the Bible. Are certain doctrines wrong?
Why is this done the way it is?
Where does one stand on this issue and is there doctrinal proof to back it up?
We must discern. This means letting God's Word do its work. If we are to discuss with anyone, outside, and particularly inside, the church, we must use the Word. As JK pointed out, Psalm 118:8 "It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man."

Thursday, January 24, 2008

Apologetics...

From JS
I'm new to Bible study, and can't offer much, but Catholic dogmas like the Papacy just don't have Scripture to back them up. The same with the perpetual virginity of Mary, mass, and so on. Indeed Catholics twist select verses to 'fit' their views, and to make their lies believable they go so far as to say the Pope is inerrant when explaining Scripture (a dogma also achieved through twisting verses). The Catholic church says if you don't believe what they say (their dogmas) then you are destined for hell. Hmm. OK, so imagine you gave a Bible to someone who has no idea what the Catholic church is. From reading the entire Bible it is utterly impossible for that person to even KNOW about these supposedly saving dogmas since Scripture backs none of them up. That suggests that the Bible is not enough to save a person, which contradicts many of the passages in it.

Why would God give us the Bible if it is useless without that additional material proposed by Popes? And if you accepted these additions which, as James points out, first came into being in the 300's, then what do you make of the final verses of Revelation which warn against anybody who adds or takes away from the Bible? If a Catholic thinks he can add stuff then that presumes that God lied in those verses, which contradicts the verse which says God is incapable of lying.

To believe the Catholic viewpoint is to believe in human knowledge being necessary to understand the Bible rather than God (as if God failed in being coherent, and without human intervention, we're all doomed). But the exact middle verse of the Bible is Psalm 118:8 "It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man."